vanrijngo rebutal in bold print:

Melissa Jenkins and Daniel Ehrlick pleaded not guilty Thursday to charges of first-degree murder in connection with the beating death of Jenkins' 8-year-old son Robert Manwill in July.

Yes, I think it was very wise of  Melissa Jenkins and Daniel Ehrlick pleading not guilty to something if they did not do it,... and just guessing myself,... even after all the interigation they might have endured by the interrogating teams who keep them up and awake trying to get them to plea guilty to save their own lives from something they might not have done amazes me to no end. You can almost see this on both their faces if one knows the interigation techniques.

The two, both charged with first degree murder, stood silent during their entry of plea hearing Thursday in front of 4th District Judge Darla Williamson so not guilty pleas were entered for them.

I myself, while not knowing them, gives them a lot of credit for their own stamina for sticking to the idealogical thoughts of being innocense, even though they know most everyone believes them to be guilty. 

Ehrlick is accused of beating the boy to death, and Jenkins is accused of covering up the crime and lying to police about what happened.

If this is their main evidence they have,... of these supposed beatings, supposedly over time, where the hell was he playmates,.. or let me rephrase that, where is all these young people who would now be talking of these beating Robert would have definitely mentioned to them. I'm talking about the one like that little girl who knew Robert and was sure that it was him she was swinging with, just a little while before he was reported missing. These kids were all friends of Robert's and who had played with him in this housing track they all lived at,... and all the kids had said absolutely nothing of these supposed beatings or suspicions of them.

Ehrlick and Jenkins, who appeared separately in front of Williamson Thursday, both waived their speedy trial rights so a jury trial on the case won't likely happen until next summer at the earliest.

What a damn shame what the public is now saying, while a few are saying why waist the tax payers money while many other agree with them. Some say,... just leave their jail door open for the others in there who hate child abusers to take care of them. To tell you the truth, there are probably enough already in the jails falsely accused themselves of many different scenarios to put a squelch on this action.

The next hearing in the case is set for Nov. 5, when a trial date likely will be set. Defense attorneys say they need to know whether or not Ada County prosecutors plan to seek the death penalty against Ehrlick or Jenkins before they can schedule a trial.

Well, we all know in order to finish this witch hunt,... the authorities are going to have to ask for the death penalty for a crime such as they have been accused of.

Prosecutors have until the middle of October to make that decision.

I'm sure they will take every bit of the time they figure they need to try and break these two down to possibly plead guilty to save their own lives. How many times do you think one can take them saying to them, do you want to die? Don't you know you will be found guilty,... cop a plea and you could be out in 10 to 15.

Rob Chastain, Jenkins' attorney, told Williamson he did not yet know if he planned to file a motion to sever the cases since he had not yet received any discovery from prosecutors as of Thursday.

More that likely if they had anything other than the corner report,.. say something which would substantiated a crime being committed with real cover up evidence like they are implying they have, it would have already been submitted as evidence for them to look over since the two defendants only have a public defender instead of high powered attorneys. If I was ever to sell a painting of any value I'd pay for their attorneys myself.  Say if a high powered attorney other than court appointed attorney didn't already know how the court systems works, they would more than likely take this case on a contingency basis just to be there for the a civil law suit that will more than likely follow if and when they won this case.

Both Ehrlick and Jenkins are being held in the Ada County Jail and appeared in court Thursday shackled and dressed in jail uniforms.

Now how else would they appear,... in a new suit like Robert Blake?

Both answered Williamson's questions with simple "yes" and "no" answers, as family members and friends of both suspects and Robert Manwill watched from the courtroom.

Yes this must have real been revealing to all these ones wanting answers, what a waist of time and of tax payers money as they say, to keep all these people in the dark for this short little spectacle put on purposely for public response and opinions for doubt of their innocence.

Ehrlick initially said he did not understand his speedy trial rights but later said he did after talking to public defender Gus Cahill.

I'm sure by not pleading guilty and talking with Gus Cahill he understood and felt a lot better with a jury trial, even though it would require being lock up for more time, rather than going with just a Judges decision on this matter for what they call a speedy trial.

Family members left the courtroom without comment Thursday.

How do you comment on nothing, only a couple of words?

Jenkins and Ehrlick were indicted and charged with first-degree murder by an Ada County grand jury Aug. 18.

I would like to know, is it public record who had sat on this grand jury which has come to these conclusions about this case?

The grand jury found that 8-year-old Robert Manwill was beaten by Ehrlick for weeks in a pattern of "escalating physical violence" that finally climaxed in his death, according to court records.

I would hope that the grand jury was convinced by something other than just the supposed body evidence of an eight year old boy which was bounced around in the waters of the New York canal for approximately 10 days and what the corner had himself came up with as his own determinations.

Ada County Coroner Erwin Sonnenberg said the boy died from blunt force trauma "on or about" the July 24 — the night he was reported missing. That report triggered a community-wide search for Robert Manwill that ended about two weeks later when his body was found in the New York Canal near Kuna.

OK, in assuming that this time frame means Robert was killed on the day that he was reported missing and being seen on the evening before being reported missing by a playmate does narrow the time down to even less hours than was mentioned by Ada County Coroner Erwin Sonnenberg.

 Erwin Sonnenberg I believe is also a city employee, who some thinking in line with myself,  might come to a same conclusion while saying there just might be a need for Robert's body to be exhumed for another non bias opinion.

Ehrlicks’s violence against the boy started as early as June, according to the grand jury indictment, which also says Jenkins "did actively and repeatedly hide (Robert) from government authorities" and kept "other persons from observing the ongoing harm" Ehrlick was doing to the boy.

Let others who were around Robert come forward and help stop all these unanswered questions about this assumed violence that was supposed to be happening to Robert, for there has to be more than the mother and boy friend knowing this was happening. My big question is how were they able to hide this from others around them. There would have to be more aware of this, say like ones involving themselves in helping hiding all this trauma and abuse he had to be going through,.... if in fact it did really happen.

The grand jury said Ehrlick repeatedly abused Robert and eventually killed the boy by the "intentional application of torture ... by inflicting extreme or prolonged pain with the intent to cause suffering, to execute vengeance, or to satisfy some sadistic inclination, by inflicting repeated acts of blunt force trauma to the abdomen and/or head of Robert Manwill."

 Ehrlick, being this sadistic torturing monster that they say he is and as he repeatedly inflicted all this abuse, he must have in return been one smart and planning criminal, to think of all these ways he was going to use to help in covering his own tracks and of this terrible crime he is said to have committed.  He must have planned this out for days, just how he was going to go down to the end of his street and cut that lock off the gate with the path going up to the canals edge while throwing it away.  Yep!.. he more than likely said to himself, I'll just throw his body in the canal some where closer to Kuna so they think he went through all those gate in the canal that weren't raised to get all the body damage and cover up evidence of the head trauma,... and of him being tortured to death. He must have figured when they find poor little Roberts body in the fast moving water the body would be found in such bad shape and would put him totally in the clear.

The grand jury also found that Jenkins continued to leave Robert with Ehrlick despite the knowledge that he was "inflicting repeated acts of physical violence" on the boy, and that Jenkins lied to police about Robert's whereabouts after she knew he was dead.

This is like a story that could have came straight out of a Panochio or a Hansel a Gretel story book, only with a better ending,... or straight from hell.

Ada County prosecutors have not yet decided whether they will seek the death penalty against Jenkins and/or Ehrlick.

To save face, I'd personally say they would be better off coming up with something as to this,.... We believe this whole investigation has all been one big mistake and flop, as we all got off on the wrong foot steps thinking these two were responsible for Roberts death right from the beginning and never really concentrated on that gate which was left unlocked.  In our new discoveries we find it impossible for the two of them to have been responsible for the killing of Robert.  We are still perusing other avenues or individuals believed to be reponsible for Roberts death.

They have a little more than a month left to make that decision.

Ada County Prosecutor Greg Bower said last month much of the decision will depend on what kind of mitigating evidence defense attorneys provide to prosecutors as they swap discovery on the case.

Amazing how ones can find themselves deep in do-do when this kind of thing happens, especially when someone comes up missing who is close to ones with questionable backgrounds who happens to be the guardians.

The entry of plea hearings for Jenkins and Ehrlick were originally set Tuesday but were later rescheduled when 4th District Judge Deborah Bail, who was originally given the case, disqualified herself in late August.

Being a Judge I'm sure this Judge put herself in a self-protection kind of a mode for reasons that she may possibly have had, say forinstance a little insight into the case, which could possibly change the outcome one way or the other feeling she was not the right judge for this case.

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