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Sunday, June 7th 2009

1:10 PM

Is this being rude when eBay seller's can refund your money rather than to produce your great purchase?



Hi Marty,
 
I personally, art-zee, Bob Miller (vanrijngo), give you one big monstrous Negative, for this eBay transaction which was canceled as to a no sale by you, EBAY'S ITEM 200203996266.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200203996266#ebayphotohosting

Payment details

Amount: $36.50 USD
Transaction Date: Jun 2, 2009
Transaction ID: D
Subject: You've got a refund
Message: Bob, I tried to pack and ship the print this morning, but it is nowhere to be found. Once in a while an item doesn't get pulled off by the computer or rather the person running the computer. This may be the cause. I'm refunding your payment plus the percentage Pay Pal will deduct. Regards, Marty
 
Sarah - PayPal :
Hello, I’m Sarah and I’m here to answer your questions about PayPal. Even though I’d like to be a real person, I’m not. I’m programmed to answer your questions. How can I help you?
Me :
What if I refuse a refund of a seller who says they cannot produce my purchase from them?
 
 

Sarah - PayPal :
 What precisely are you looking for?
How do I request a refund of my payment?
How can I make my transactions proceed faster with Instant Transfer?
How do I issue a refund?
How can I view the status of my refund?
 
Me:
Is Pay Pal set up mainly for the protection of the sellers and the hell with the buyers?

Sarah - PayPal :
Please don't be so rude. Let's get back to our conversation, please. How can I help you?
Me :
Is this being rude when the sellers can refund your money rather than to produce your great purchase?
Sarah - PayPal :
Could you be more precise please?
How do I withdraw money from my PayPal account?
How can I view the status of my refund?
How do I issue a refund?
 
Me :
Well,... I did make one hell of a good buy from these ebay seller's of a master signed artist print for twenty dollars. Now they say they can't find it and now are graciously refunding my money.  Before this actually happened I had it already in my mind that this was going to take place.  So,.... you see for yourself what kind of cheating eBayer's Pay Pal possibly represents.

Sarah - PayPal :
Sorry, but your phrase is too long and I will not be able to perform a full analysis. I would be very grateful if you could try to make it a bit shorter and more concise.
 
Me:
Sure thing,.... they are cheating you know what-tees!  Just copy the url below and place in your browser  to see for yourselves.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200203996266#ebayphotohosting
 
  Only alternative to resolve this is:  I'm not excepting the refund,... for I want that print or one just like it,.... even signed,... no less.  I do have the pics of the signature, so the signature haft to match as to being his.  You should be hearing from my attorney in the next couple of weeks.
 
Regards,
Art-zee, Bob Miller
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Read carefully,
 
Negative feedback ratingThey say cannot find item, it has been already pulled, refunded thru Pay Pal

Jun-05-09 09:24
  • Reply by marty-the-woodsman (Jun-05-09 14:14):
    Previously sold and not pulled from inventory. Relisted by mistake. Negative????
 Age of Innocence by Sir Joshua Reynolds Signed Print (#200203996266)US $20.00
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Hey Marty,
 
 does this sound to you like what you emailed me at the same time of refunding my Pay Pal payment with a note?
 

 
Listen carefully Marty,
 
  I've been screwed out of three items of importance to me, three times now using eBay. I might also mention by reputable eBay dealers, ones I've bought item from before. I say,.. if what you say is true, you yourself could have handle this much differently than you did. I am about to leave eBay's establishment for good, basically for these reasons and many others that has developed over these last few years in their MFA procedures.
 
 I personally have come to hate lying ass cheating art dealers who have seller's remorse when figuring they have sold items too cheaply for what they believe they are after someone wins the item.... Especially when getting ready to ship items after removing the glass,.... if you know what I mean? 
 
 I have never before left a negative feedback to any person or dealer on eBay. Before I have only quit buying from them. Now,.. before I got your wonderful message with my refund from PayPal, I had told myself,....... if this ever happens to me again, even if involving this item, without any real good explanation, the seller was going to get themselves a negative report back from me,.... whether they liked it or not.

Regards
Bob Miller---vanrijngo 

Added on June 13th 09; 

I would like you all to know that this eBay seller "Marty-the-woodsman" did not email me one email from the time he just refunded my money with his little note attached to the refund from PayPal to this present date.  I emailed him twice before giving him the negative feed-back, telling him, while even showing what my full intentions were,.... if I did not possibly hear from him pretty much immediately.
 
Needless to say retired auctioneers and sellers like these don't really think they can be held responsible for what the do in life,... and as they rip people off on things they sell and don't sell. Most buyers and sellers except what they say as the gospel as they would their own minister of their own churches they go to,... but believe me,... most times they are like peas in a pod and their resemblances, just caring about what is in their own plates. 
 
Anyway, I myself thinking exactly as Vincent van Gogh would think about this transaction, I believe I have pretty much vented it in the same way that he would have if he were still alive.

Cheers!
vanrijngo



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Sunday, May 24th 2009

12:17 PM

eBay should have been held accountable.

eBay wins L'Oreal court battle over counterfeit goods

ebay logo
eBay's use of advertising keywords will be reviewed

UK High Court rules auction site cannot be held reponsible for fake products sold online

Written by Angelica Mari

eBay has won a court battle initiated by cosmetics giant L'Oreal over the sale of counterfeit goods on its web site.

L'Oreal argued that the online auctioneer could prevent the listing of fake products on its site, but the UK High Court ruled eBay could not be held reponsible for some of its sellers engaged in such activities.

"There is nothing in eBay's systems and policies which favours or encourages the listing or sale of counterfeit goods," said judge Justice Arnold.

"On the contrary, eBay Europe take active steps to prevent or at least minimise such activities. The fact that eBay could take further steps does not affect this."

However, eBay's use of advertising keywords was referred to the European Court of Justice for clarification - a positive outcome for the cosmetics group.

Judge Arnold also offered suggestions of actions eBay could take to tackle the sale of counterfeit products, such as requiring sellers to disclose their names and addresses when listing items and looking closely at negative feedback left by site users, but none of the measures is compulsory.

"The fact that it would be possible for eBay Europe to do more does not necessarily mean that it is legally obliged to do more," he said.

In 2008, eBay hosted 2.7 billion listings globally, with 0.15 per cent identified as potentially counterfeit.

"When companies try to prevent genuine items being sold through the internet, they demonstrate that they are out of step with consumers, how they use the internet to shop and, at this time when every penny counts, the importance of shopping around to get the best price," said eBay's head of trust and safety Richard Ambrose.

"Following legal victories for eBay in the UK, US, France and Belgium, we reiterate again that cooperation and dialogue is what is needed, not litigation. Only by working together can we collectively address the issues that concern eBay, rights owners and consumers."

Reader comments

Comment title:  eBay should have been held accountable
 
Why the courts do not hold them responsible is beyond me, for they are the providers of this so-called auction site for these thieving people who make their business and livings off these counterfeit goods.  Is this a good display and an example of what our courts of law is made up of?  It is OK to steal as long as you receive your fair share. Just look at what eBay has done and had caused in this 8 billion dollar a year business called the art industry. 
 
 People now are just finding out that the so-called MFA experts around this world are coming to the same conclution and are now saying the National Art Museums and Prominent art collections are being considered to house up to 50%,... or even more as being fakes.  What has really brought out these scams from the past,..... is the actual use of PC's and all these more modern technologies being developed and used in computer science classes in universities. 
 
Just look at newly developed soft ware programs developed by more intelligent minds, programs which can now combine artists hand writings with the fluidity of their brush strokes along with the rest of their idiosyncrasies. I'm mostly talking about their own masterly personalized techniques which they had used in creating their own works of art.  The computers will now through percentage values disclose its findings along with using many other newly developed programs of computer program analysis. These technologies will tell art collectors of this worlds what is correct and what isn't,... not as "say so"  to speak,.... while having the wool pulled over their eyes as in the past.
 
So the logic of all this,... is for you to hang on to those unknown masterpieces some of you are trying to sell on eBay for just small amounts, of what they are worth, while the supposed MFA experts accuse you in saying you are the actual fraudsters, and you all are ruining the art market,..... or should I say theirs!
vanrijngo
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Saturday, April 11th 2009

9:57 AM

More About Hiding In Plain Sight

Hiding in Plain Sight

By artremedy20 http://artremedy20.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/hiding-in-plain-sight/

“In my view, originality and success are strangers to one another; but I also hold that originality, despite appearances, will end by making itself felt, and that easy success is soon forgotten.  People today have heard of Sarah Bernhardt only because there is a theatre named after her: my father thought she acted like a goat.  Who in these days remembers Luc Olivier Merson, a painter who in his time was showered with honours?  One of the reasons for believing in immortality is that Vincent Van Gogh did not sell a single canvas during his lifetime.  Public recognition and the rating of an artist at his true level often takes time.”

Jean Renoir from the book My Life and My Films 1974 (translated by Norman Denny)


This was a good memoir.  I enjoyed reading it.  His father was the painter Pierre Auguste Renoir.

This is an interesting thought.  I’ve often thought that the most interesting, the most vital artists are the one’s that are obscure and hidden.  Finding them (and their work) is like finding treasure.  I’m always searching, always on the hunt.  Sometimes, something great’s right nearby.

Was Sarah Bernhardt truly deserving of Renoir’s disdain?  

Van Gogh really did sell one painting at least.  It was called “The Red Vineyard.”  I can’t remember the story.  Did a woman buy it?  I think so.  He probably sold or traded a few drawings (and maybe some paintings) for food, drink, lodgings and maybe even some money.  Yet only this one sale is verified.

I knew a Detroit painter named Edgar Yaeger.  I’ll write more on him eventually.  He told me stories of a bicycle trip he took around Europe in the 1920’s.  He met people who actually remembered Van Gogh!

They told him things like “Ah that Vincent!  He’d try to give his artwork away but we turned him down.  Now we wish we’d accepted some of it.”

Then there’s the stories of people using Van Gogh’s art for walls on their chicken coops (and the like).  He’s definitely a classic case of a great artist not being understood or appreciate in their lifetime.

Too many of us spend our whole lives working hard and hiding in plain sight.

Edgar Yaeger’s work:

http://www.edgaryaeger.com/
 ”I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying.”   Woody Allen

Another quote from the Renoir book:

“Only when the artist has mastered the elements of his problem can he bring himself into it.”

One Response to “Hiding in Plain Sight”

  1. Rick Lieder Says:

    Van Gogh not selling any paintings while he was alive fits the misunderstood artist stereotype well, and so will be perpetuated.

  2. vanrijngo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    More About Hiding In Plain Sight

    The MFA experts should have called most all Vincent van Gogh works of art myths and lies. They should have destroyed them all,…. before they expose the truths in this MFA world of ours. And now,…. believe it or not, a little over a century later which is not all that long of a period of time,…. the MFA beat goes on! Thank you Sonny & and Cher for that note!

    Now,…. I want you all who happen to be a little interested in what I have to say,… to read over this little bit of wit in this article again, while mostly keeping in mind of most all of it coming straight from these MFA experts mouths of artist’s foundations. You would think when entrusting such expensive things, that these MFA experts could come up with something a little more believable,… say truths in this MFA world of ours. I’d only guess mainly for the ones who want to know the truths, and also,… let’s not forget about their art patrons.

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Saturday, March 7th 2009

12:48 PM

Now here are some hands that Durer would paint. "Moved forward from March 7th 2005"

 

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Durer?

Attributed ?  In this painting you should be able to see and feel what this artist had done while looking at the crackatures in the paint and determine it age while holding it. You would see the actual construction of the panel and feel its weight while being able to examine it to the fullest.  Also you are able to see that his gloved hand is holding his other glove from the un-gloved hand which looks to be more normal for a artist hands to be painted,--- not in some sort of contortionist looking painful way, especially since they happen to be the hands of the artist in question.

 

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I have been a art collector for over 25 years, and plan on selling off quite a few important pieces of art, so be sure to bookmark this site for further details.  Some have been in my collection  for years!  Some will be newly acquired pieces bought on the Internet with-in the last few years.   I do not plan to quit making new purchases, if I like what I see, and the price is right.

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Now here are some hands that Durer would paint.

 

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   In looking at these two different self-portraits in comparison done about five years apart makes one wonder why when seeing how much they come to resemble each other in positioning.  You can almost take one head off and stick it on the other and same thing for the hats, hands, and use the twig in place of the folded material, minus the window which could be added to the other painting real easily.  You might also note the shape of the hand in the earlier painting which seems to more or less coincide with the latter, as far as the copyist was concerned anyway.  I'd assume the supposed first portrait was painted by Durer and the copying artist could have possibly seen these hands to go by in painting the second portrait since they can't create something on their own.  Just look at how the lines of the folds match the twig as far as shadows and shape. It makes one wonder how much copying really went on through the centuries and what is real an what is not.  Computers and scanners of this present time and the future, if used properly, will eliminate this whole problem while bringing back truths to the arts.

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These are some of my enhancing studies I have done for you to see a little of what it is that I am saying.  If you notice in the middle bottom picture you can actually see the gloved hand that is holding the glove with his bare hand and thumb rapped around it. In the painting of the eyes you can see where one of the previous owner of this painting took it to a supposed MFA expert.  You can see with your own eyes what this MFA supposed  art expert had done to this painting supposedly with a sharp object he had in his hand,... before handing it back to its owner, as he more than likely said; " Those are not eyes of Durer and that painting needs to be destroyed." When I see a painting like this and can hold it in my own hands and look at with my own eyes, there is a feeling that comes over me that is unexplainable. Now, the one that needs to be destroyed is that copy of a Durer etching of the same subject matter that happens to be hanging in the Prado Museum.

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These are some more of my enhancing studies I have done for you to look at.  If you notice in the middle bottom picture you can actually see the how the assumed copier did these hands and painted them as he had seen them himself, more than likely from an etching, and knowing or hearing that a painting was done of the same portrait and was missing.  I will challenge anyone who thinks that they can get their own hand into this position without braking their God Blest thumb.  Don't forget to put that big bend in your wrist first before trying this maneuver with your thumb.

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These photo studies above and the writings below are  examples of my studies.

Take-em, or leave-em.

  I know these pictures and my writings might seem strange to most of you, but believe me, some of what is excepted by MFA experts seem mighty strange to me also.

     Here is something else that sure seems strange about those two supposed Durer's on the top left.   Even though the supposed five years age difference of these two paintings, the one that was painted first with the open hand must have helped the copier to do more of his magic on his copy.     Then in turning his body just a bit and adding the folds in the material to more or less coincide with the twig pattern  in the first portrait painting. 

    Isn't it strange what people see and do not see with there own eyes, and even the copiers, what they see and don't see either, differently than the original artist.  I guess the experts that let this portrait slip through was too intrigged with those suspicious looking eyes, looking just like their own.  There is absolutely no way that Durer, being the artist that he was, would have ever painted himself with this deformed hand,  after the five year younger version, and to make sure his hand, should I say screwed up, 1/2 of a glove on his hand with his bare thumb laying over his other in a way that it just will not lay- and then to add such beautiful handwriting and signature just above one of the biggest screw-up in art history.  I really hate to insinuate that the copying artist could have been someone like Rembrandt, for his first partner in a art studio in Amsterdam was his wife Saskia's cousin who infact was sent to prison for selling copies of Durer and other masters of that time.  I would not put it past Rembrandt for doing such a thing, for he wasn't all that much of a gentleman of his times as I have found in my studies.  Hands were one of Rembrandts biggest problems in painting and in a lot of paintings and portraits he would leave the hands obscure, so you see, what would be worse if this were true-  Having a fucked-up copied portrait painting of a Durer etching by Rembrandt, or possibly a screwed-up painting by Durer.

 

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       Maybe Durer had a deformed hand, or possibly had a complete mind fade of how to paint hands, or just maybe he painted his own hands just as you see them, possibly saying to himself,... there,.. that should puzzle the hell out of the copiers, MFA experts, and viewers of the future,.. I'll just call that finished, .... and there goes my painting career if they happen to see this now!   If not true,.. then I would say Durer didn't paint that second portrait painting,... no way.  

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After looking at these hands of Durer, and comparing to others, you will probably ask yourself,.....now how was it possible that the other portrait of Durer made it by the MFA experts sureties of hands on inspections and expertise.

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I really don't know what more I could say.  Does that look like a thumb to you?

 

Which one of these portraits would you rather own and display yourself as the art lover you are considered?

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If I am barking up a wrong tree,.... someone please tell me.

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Is there no wonder why this world of ours is so screwed up?

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Does these pictures show us the correct age of this work of art, or is it something we just have to ignore.

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In looking at this negative enhancement, is this something that you would think that would reappear in other works of art done by Durer using computer science and scanning abilities?

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Isn't it amazing to the most of you, that the supposed original works of art that surface out (not in) of the museums seem to always be considered by MFA experts to be the inferior work, and not done by the particular artists?  Don't most of you know that this world is ran by just a few, and the rest are just sheep in the flocks?   It makes one wonder, just how is something like this possible to continue, especially with modern break through of new found knowledge and technology, along with better communication throughout the whole world.  The game has always been played like this,... he who in the end who has the most toys,.... WINS!

vanrijngo


 

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Tuesday, March 3rd 2009

12:00 AM

A story in pictures and words that only Vincent would be able to 'show & tell',.... if it happened to be truely his water color.

Could this water color painting I bought from Hawaii on eBay's auction site, just a few years back, really be that of a boarding house in similarities as the one as the Ravoux Inn Restaurant & Boarding House where Vincent had stayed in the last days of his life? In looking at this supposed boarding house, could it also be where Vincent himself might have stayed and painted his rented room with the light on upstairs,... similar to where he had died in 1890?  It does seem to me by reading books about Vincent's habits of staying in boarding houses,..... as being a good possibility.   The boarding and restaurant establishment of the Ravoux's, soon after Vincent had shot himself and died,.. sold it,... then they moved to Meulan where they ran another cafe opposite the Hotel Pinchon.  That is where Adeline's father had sold her portrait of her given to her by Vincent.

 
 
 
Do you suppose that this could have influenced her memories?

 Well,... anyway, if this happens to be another similar boarding house such as the Ravoux boarding house where Vincent had stayed and was actually painted by him;.........

 I know that the MFA experts would like to believe that some idiot artist, one such as Vincent van Gogh, a possible copyist who didn't developed a brush stroke such as Vincent's,....  painted this watercolor to try and fool the supposed so-called MFA Vincent Ban experts some where down the line,.... now if you can believe that,.......  like these so-called MFA Vincent Ban Gogh experts.
 
vanrijngo 
 



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